Curse

Takekaze · Jun 22, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

You know what I get sick of hearing in conversations like this?

I'll tell you. (Like you thought I wouldn't.)

I get sick of hearing, "It's only a game."

Yes, the GAME is only a game, but the PEOPLE are actually people.

If you're in a group of people that you think are your friends, and who have acted like your friends for some time, and then they turn on you and become total assholes, it's understandably upsetting.

This is true if the setting it happens in is a school, or a workplace, or in a sports arena, or on the telephone, or in a letter, or on the internet, or in a game.

A game is just a game and isn't real life. True.

However, an asshole in a game IS an asshole in real life. Every time.

Well, the people may be actual people, but there is still the distance. They are not "real" real. You know they are there, but you communicate with them either by Vent/TS/whatever or the keyboard. You don't face them. As for "friends"... it takes a long time to be my "friend" (as in "real friend", not as in "acquaintance"). Being in the same game is not enough, not on my side. And I don't really care whether they are real people or not, but that's me. I don't know them, chances that I will ever meet them IRL are pretty much zero, so why care? Their actual impact on my real life is... insignificant (if it exists at all).

It's different in a real game like... icehockey. You scream at me there like some kids behave on Vent in any random computer game and I knock you over... IRL. It's different, very different. You do that at my workplace and I'll challenge you to real duel. Bokken, no armor. Been there, done that (and trust me... it hurts, for real). Those screaming kids on Vent are only strong and dare to do it because they don't have to fear any consequences. Not really impressive. Takes no balls to do that.

And finally... it's only a game.

Innocent · Jun 22, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

You know, I don't know about you. But when I'm playing basket ball or soccer and a teammate isn't performing up to par, I'm going to let them know about it. If they're holding the team back from the provincials/nationals, I'd straight up be mad at them if they didn't acknowledge it and work on it. Similarly, if I were playing Guild Wars gvg to try and win, I would be expecting others in my team to put out that effort to get better so we can achieve that goal as a team.

Take, I don't know what you play in GW, but it's a bit like having someone in your elite mission/fow/etc/etc group turn out to be someone that is just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing around. They know how to play Guild Wars, but they are just being a dick, detracting from your team. How would you feel? Not angry? I highly doubt it.

cgruber · Jun 23, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Respect is earned. Raising your voice or being a jerk doesn't change that.

Dr Strangelove · Jun 23, 2008, 06:26 AM // 06:26

I cry whenever our song comes on, Mhenlo. What does Cynn have that I don't? WHY?!

**cosyfiep** · Jun 23, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

yes....but it wasnt pvp or pve....
(and yes I am female and we do cry---it relieves stress so no idea why men would not do it, but then again women still do live longer-perhaps because we can cry?)...
people can be very rude, very insensitive and very callous, insulting etc....thought I doubt the people who caused my moment of weakness even play or use guru any longer (though I know one of them does and he is unaware of what he did)....

Sai Rith · Jun 23, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Not cry as in sad or angry cry, but I ahve cried to due laughter

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Koudelka · Jun 23, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

It's hard to say... when you're reading someone's text it's far more detached then hearing it for yourself. I do not use Vent or Teamspeak, so I wouldn't know if it had that much of a greater effect, but I can see why your friend was upset. High-end PvP really is a no-go zone for me.

Count Feanor · Jun 23, 2008, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by Inde

Hey, I agree. But what you are saying... it doesn't work that way. We all know it. There are "noble and polite" players out there doing PvP. I know many of them, but being in a situation that's competitive and you see someone drop the ball you are going to get frustrated. Take this example for anything competitive: soccer, football, hockey, basketball, gaming, or anything else that involves relying on fellow team mates.

You see cheap shots taken, you see intentional fouls, you see fights on the field, probably don't even want to know what goes on in the locker room (teammates can be extremely harsh, especially the coaches) ... while what you say is certainly encouraged... reality doesn't stack up to it either.

I agree with both of you. Yes, this stuff happens in any competitive arena. However, there is a point where someone needs to take a stand against this type of behavior or it's going to keep happening. Personally, I'm a pretty passive person, and have been battling when it is appropriate and right to confront certain situations and when it is wise to "let it slide". It really just depends on the situation (and I'm not saying I always get it right). As far as whether I personally have cried? No, I can't say I've been close to crying in GW. Some people cry when they are stressed (and this situation seemed pretty stressful); it also hurts when attacked by a "friend". In a perfect world...

Kashrlyyk · Jun 23, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Sorry for the chick who got booted, this will teach her people in general suck and using vent is a bad idea. Who wants to hear the voices or nerd clones and high pitch kiddy talk. No thanks.

Personally I think it takes a very emotionally unstable person to break down over a video game. It also takes an emotionally unstable person to scream into a mic over a video game.

Raging over a game = failed at life.
Crying over a game = need a serious break from video games.

Please, show me in the OP, where someone cried over a video game!! She cried because she was treated badly, not because she lost a PvP match. There are several other people in this thread, that should really read the OP and the question!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

You know what I get sick of hearing in conversations like this?

I'll tell you. (Like you thought I wouldn't.)

I get sick of hearing, "It's only a game."

Yes, the GAME is only a game, but the PEOPLE are actually people.

If you're in a group of people that you think are your friends, and who have acted like your friends for some time, and then they turn on you and become total assholes, it's understandably upsetting.

This is true if the setting it happens in is a school, or a workplace, or in a sports arena, or on the telephone, or in a letter, or on the internet, or in a game.

A game is just a game and isn't real life. True.

However, an asshole in a game IS an asshole in real life. Every time.

He has read the OP. Great post.

Yang Whirlwind · Jun 23, 2008, 01:56 PM // 13:56

No! but I'm a mod,- we have no feelings or heart to speak of anyways!

Wait a minute, does crying over stupidity count?

DreamRunner · Jun 23, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

I actually don't think you can truly socialize on the internet. Many factors that usually have an impact when people socialize such as body language or facial expression are ruled out. Does it have a big impact on people's persona? I say, yes!

I know a few people who seem very secure on the internet, but when it comes into real life... they are very shy people.

Truly strange is it not?

Silent Coyote · Jun 23, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Like others in this thread I'm to hardcore to show emotions :P.

Seriously though I've never really had any run-ins with major jerks in this game, guess I'm lucky. Well, I've been in a few pugs (ok, most of em) with jerks but you expect that sort of thing when joining pugs anyway.

Guild wise I've never had problems with members. But I can see why the event in the original post could get to you. It's not nice to be on the receiving end of someones misplaced rage whether you can see them or not.

On a side note, why would it be so bad if a game made somebody cry? Isn't the entire point of entertainment to invoke a wide range of emotional responses in the audience (thus entertaining them)? Personally I would think a game that could move someone to the point of crying would be a strong contender for games as art.

ManMadeGod · Jun 24, 2008, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Tbh only one person makes me cry.
Isaiah Cartwright.

deluxe · Jun 24, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamRunner

I know a few people who seem very secure on the internet, but when it comes into real life... they are very shy people.

Truly strange is it not?

This is not strange, probably 80-90% of the people are like that.

Tyla · Jun 24, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by deluxe

This is not strange, probably 80-90% of the people are like that.

Yay, I'm not the only one!

The Arma Dega · Jun 24, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

PvP can turn you into an ass, specially if you pug, but it's all about toleration and patience.

JoeKnowMo · Jun 24, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Guru forums make me cry. Especially the big meanie mods.

Mesmer in Need · Jun 24, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Arma Dega

PvP can turn you into an ass, specially if you pug, but it's all about toleration and patience.

Totally. Sometimes i criticize a build just to start a fight. It may not be a good build, but it's decent, yet i'll still go for it. Sometimes argument for the sake of an argument is fun. As for crying, nope.

Courage! · Jun 25, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

wow deja vu my m8 made a guy who was like 10 years cry on vent for making the team die in FoW

zayphr · Jun 25, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

i think the op had a legitimate reason to be upset. being friends with someone for 2 years, even if just online, should cause a person to have some sort of feeling for the other. i had a very close friend i met on a message board and she was the one who actually got me into online gaming. we talked almost daily for nearly 3 years, just online. we never spoke over the phone, in person, etc. if she would have, all of a sudden, started being an ass, calling me names and such, i would of course be very upset and possibly would have cried. i don't know for sure because the situation never happened to me.

i think this is, unfortunately, a common theme with online games and the internet in general. a lot of people seem to enjoy being assholes to other people because they know there is no consequence. in real life, the vast majority would not say these things to other people. and the general population seems to be losing all compassion and consideration for other people. that doesn't mean having to "kiss ass" but just being civil to other human beings. in my opinion, all these "10 year olds" everyone likes to talk about are more likely to be stressed, frustrated teens and young adults getting off on putting others down because of something that happened to them in real life.